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This page last updated Tuesday, 18 November 2008 04:03 PM
I've been 'hobbying' in Southern Colorado since 2006. Not long by some standards, but long enough to have gleaned what I and some others consider to be useful information for fellow hobbyists and providers -- hence I've offered up this website. I tend to play it relatively safe in my hobbying in that I tend to prefer well-reviewed providers. However, I do find it entertaining to watch what is going on in the overall hobbying scene in Southern Colorado. The following collection of musings, observations and opinions on the activities of the Southern Colorado craigslist erotic services forums are offered for your consideration, enjoyment and maybe even edification.
If you just want to find out about new providers or provider ads with new pictures you can find them here.
If you just want to get a summary of providers who only advertise on Southern Colorado craigslist erotic services and find their archived ads (with unique photos) you can go here.
If you want to contact me with constructive comments you can send them to cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com. Don't bother flaming me ... I have a quick trigger finger on the delete key.
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Short-term impact of change to Craigslist posting policy for 'erotic services'
It has been a week or so since Craigslist changed their posting policy for the erotic services section to require credit card payment in addition to phone verification of posting accounts. What have the impacts been? Since I watch that forum for at least Colorado Springs and Pueblo I thought I'd share my observations.
As one would guess the volume of posts has dropped off substantially. When it costs to post ads the posters that made frequent posts apparently didn't want to post anymore. Go figure. Or at least for those remaining, they were more inclined to post less frequently.
There is usually reasonable attrition from this forum, or stated another way, there are many 'flashes in the pan' that pass through the forum. I generally cull the section of my provider list dealing primarily with advertisers that only post on the forum (affectionately referred to as the "Danger Will Robinson" section) once a month or so. I decided to see what sort of attrition there might have been due to the posting policy by looking at who has posted an ad (anywhere, not just on the forum) since the policy was introduced. The results follow.
Before I did the cull there were 58 listings. After I did the cull 29 remained. Exactly 50% dropped away.
For those interested the following advertisers dropped off: Abby, Amore, Beth, Cheyenne(2)(scammers), CoCo, Courtney(2), Gang Bang Queen, Jayleigh, Kelly(3), Leah, Lexi, Lexxi, Lilly, Morgan (fbsm), Paula, Romeo & Juliet, Sadi, Sheila, spoildbratz, 719-217-3563, Paradice/Peaches, 719-217-0649(TS), 719-298-8447, Naomi, 719-329-4404, 719-487-4813, 719-510-4871, 719-306-8326 (pimp), 719-355-4110 (pimp).
Some other things I've noticed include:
- The advertising on backpage for Colorado Springs has increased a slight bit. I'd estimate a half dozen or so providers started advertising there after the forum posting policy change.
- There are far fewer advertisements for providers with Denver area codes. My speculation is that two things caused this. 1) They just fell away with the rest who didn't want to deal with the new policy for one reason or another. 2) Blanket flagging / flagging wars are less effective now, so they went back to Denver.
- Regarding flagging ... it is my understanding that flagging policy for the erotic services section has changed. The flagging is now 'moderated' by craigslist staff. All flag requests (probably in summary form) are sent to craigslist staff for review and only staff can remove the paid ads, and then only for obvious policy violations. Presumably there will be no more capricious flagging. One good thing, I guess.
- Rumor has it that the payment method requires credit cards with complete cardholder information (i.e., including a name), so advertisers can't use the prepaid debit cards for anonymity.
- Some opportunistic websites seem to be springing up fill the perceived vacuum created by craigslist 'crackdown' on erotic services postings. These include: 1thru99.com and a reformulated providerpost.com/org. Both are pretty lame and haven't taken off. While 1thru99.com might have some advertisers it isn't clear that all but a few are legitimate and most seem to not be from the area of interest (the site seems 'geographically confused' ... likely deliberately so). And providerpost.com/org is skeletal at best and devoid of anything useful.
- There has been a very slight migration of advertisers to the more reputable ad sites like escortboards.net / escortphotos.net and sowet.
New Craigslist posting policy for 'erotic services'
Forum posters will now need to pay $5 per ad via credit card. Phone number verification remains. Craigslist officials have reaffirmed their willingness to work with law enforcement by willingly giving up their credit card and phone records in response to a subpoena.
It will be interesting to see if this new policy has any impact on the volume and nature of posting on the forum. Just as it is easy, and advisable, for providers and hobbyists to get anonymous cell phones, they'll probably just start getting the anonymous debit cards to pay for their ads.
Flagging remains an option. It will be interesting to see if the flagging threshold changes now that the ads are paid ads. It will be a bit more painful for advertisers to have their paid ads removed by flaggers. I'd imagine repeated occurrences of that would discourage their use of the forum.
See also:
Craigslist agrees to crack down on erotic ads
Craigslist to crack down on prostitution ads
I know I've been quiet for quite some time. There really hasn't been all that much new to talk about. I've just been watching the same old ads being posted (sometimes with new pictures - usually not though). There continues to be very few forum advertisers being reviewed on any credible review forums. Every once in a while a new warning or pseudo review will be posted on the forum, but as I've said before you can't pay too much attention to these (whether they are favorable or unfavorable) because the forum is not a credible review forum. But I digress ...
Recently some forum ads have been surfacing that look just a tad bit credible, but it turns out they are just another variation on an old scam. The scammers are putting up websites on escort site hosts like escortsite.com. The sites look reasonable. But some of the hallmarks of the scam are:
- No contact information is given (phone or email)
- There is no mention of what area the provider services. Where the hell are they?
- The photo gallery has nice, alluring photos. Maybe too good to be true? Likely lifted from some porn site.
- The services will be full and relatively liberal.
- The provider's stats will be impressive.
- And then the real clincher ... there's an "Appointments" page that talks about wanting to be safe so the provider wants you to go to some perfectly safe site to be verified where you'll have to give a credit card #.
Any time you are asked for a credit card # leave very quickly and don't come back. They'll make all kinds of assurances that your card will only be billed a very small amount (like some odd amount like $2.97) and that you will receive no additional charges. Don't believe it. You WILL be charged more and the charges will likely be reoccurring until you go through excruciating measures to get the charges cancelled.
Here's one example of the web site you might be directed to. And here's the "Appointment" page.
The 'new' twist on this is that the scammers are giving direct links to the escortsites.com pages in the forum ads. Before (and they still do this) they just posted ads with no phone contact information. You had to either IM or email them. In the reply they would either provide the same sort of enticing information then direct you to the verification site or they would direct you to their website from the email or IM. And they had not been using an otherwise legitimate escort web hosting site as their base of operations.
From more information see hallmarks of scam/spam ads.
Okay, the DNC is here ... well, a little bit north, but we're seeing the fallout. As mentioned below one result is a lot of out-of-state providers posting on the forum. I've gotten back-channel reports of rip-offs and 3g experiences when these advertisers are visited. Visit at your own risk. I'm not even going to bother to track these flashes-in-the-pan. The other thing that is going on is that Denver's forum is getting blanketed with flagging. As a result virtually NO ads are staying up on that forum. There is lots of speculation as to who is behind it ... pick your theory, but the result is the same. So far the COS forum has not been blank-flagged, but what you are seeing are lots of Denver providers advertising on the COS forum. I'm likewise not going to be bother tracking/investigating these either. They'll likely be gone once the 'circus' is over. You're on your own with them. Your best bet during this raucous time is to stick with known good providers.
Influx of out-of-state providers
With the Democratic National Convention coming up soon it isn't too surprising to see unfamiliar providers with out-of-state phone numbers advertising. I've done some cursory research on a smattering of them and they all seemed pretty dicey to me. I'd recommend staying very far away. In addition you might want to stick with known tried and true providers as Uncle Leo takes a particular interest in appearing to 'clean things up' prior to the DNC. I don't plan to track any of these 'flash in the pan' providers. You're on your own with them.
411: Eden
A little help here guys ... On 24 June 2008 a provider calling herself "Eden" started posting on the forum. To me it just looked like the provider who had been going by "Reese" was just trying to affect a name change and some sort of fresh start. She was using a new name and some new (faceless) pics, but fundamentally the same stats, same phone # and same modus operandi.
Shortly thereafter Digitally Erotic, LLC. posted on the forum indicating that Reese was coming to join them and soon thereafter some of Reese's old pictures started showing up in Digitally Erotic forum ads for a provider going as Jazmine.
Since "Eden" started posting ads, Reese stopped posting ads on the forum.
So it could just be that "Reese" is just branching out and trying to get business under lots of different aliases and in multiple venues. That's my guess unless I get some information to the contrary.
Got any information to share on this? Post a review in a credible review forum, or if you don't want to do that contact me at cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com with some backchannel information.
411: Monet
A little help here guys ...
This provider has been around for quite a while. In the past she has advertised for a while and then went silent quite a while. She has been advertising pretty consistently for many months now. She has her own new and improved website, monetofcoloradosprings.info, as well as being on Preferred411. She advertises regularly on both escortboards.net and on the forum. Her forum ads don't stay up long (I don't know if she removes them or they get flagged ... in any case you'll generally only find one on the forum at a time).
Despite having been around for quite some time her only reviews are VERY old. Any new information on her current level of service would be greatly appreciated.
Have you got any information to share on this? Post a review in a credible review forum, or if you don't want to do that contact me at cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com with some backchannel information.
411: 719-290-6060 gals
A little help here guys ...
I had associated ads using the phone # 719-290-6060 with the same pimp / 'agency' / scammer using the phone # 719-306-8326, which started posting in mid-July of 2007 on craigslist erotic services for Pueblo and Colorado Springs. They had mixed up photos and names of providers. They also used what appeared to be 'stock' model pictures in many cases. They went away for a while and started posting again in March 2008 with a new phone # 719-290-6060 and the same old photos and modus operandi.
In the past month or so they have started using pictures that appear to be more 'real'. They are also consistently posting ads for the same providers. It isn't clear if they are any more legitimate or whether they've just changed their modus operandi to appear that way.
Have you got any information to share on this? Post a review in a credible review forum, or if you don't want to do that contact me at cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com with some backchannel information.
411: 719-216-1737
A little help here guys ...
A relatively new advertiser here. She's been posting for a little over a month now. She posts somewhat regularly. No reviews yet. Hard to imagine nobody has seen here.
Have you got any information to share on this? Post a review in a credible review forum, or if you don't want to do that contact me at cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com with some backchannel information.
411: Veronica Jenn
A little help here guys ...
A site visitor pointed out that the pictures for this advertiser look A LOT like the pictures for Jennifer on Phil Flash's soft porn site. If the images are indeed of that model then you gotta wonder if these ads are the work of a scammer trolling for suckers. I guess it could be that this model is working as a provider in the Springs ... unlikely though.
Have you got any information to share on this? Post a review in a credible review forum, or if you don't want to do that contact me at cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com with some backchannel information.
A little help here guys ...
Digitally Erotic, LLC., has been around since the beginning of June 2008. They have a website. They post regularly on the forum using the phone numbers: 719-637-2847 & 719-200-7830. Hollywood (formerly of CoSLadies) started this new agency. It would seem she is picking up other former agency providers, e.g., Reese (also formerly of CoSLadies) and some new providers (e.g., Avery).
Despite being around for nearly two months now there are no reviews available on this agency. Most of their ads on the forum indicate "not FS".
I'm not archiving any of the agency's ads on the forum since I've found many agencies tend to be flashes in the pan as do the providers that work with them (though there are exceptions). We'll just wait and see how the dust settles.
Have you got any information to share on this? Post a review in a credible review forum, or if you don't want to do that contact me at cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com with some backchannel information.
411: Exotic Passions
A little help here guys ...
This agency has been around for 14 months now. They post regulary on the forum. In the past month or so they've been adding lots of new pictures and it would appear that they have added a couple of providers to their crew. But, there are no reviews for this agency. What's up with that?
Have you got any information to share on this? Post a review in a credible review forum, or if you don't want to do that contact me at cosindies411 <at> yahoo.com with some backchannel information.
Change is the only certainty -- we'll see
Back again ...
After getting some nice positive feedback on the site (in response to it looking like it was going away) and one false start at having somebody else take over the site I've decided to reconsider shutting the site down.
I'm not quite sure what the future holds, but for now I'll continue periodic updates. I'm not sure I'll put as much time into it as before, but we'll see. I'm considering trying to figure out how to share the workload, but not making managing the sharing of the work more work than it is worth. Time will tell ... it always does.
20080704: Another hobbyist has stepped forward to keep this site going.
We're working out some of the details so stay tuned.
It looks like the site should stay 'on the air'.
I've decided to discontinue this website.
It has been fun and interesting.
It has also been rewarding to provide useful information for fellow hobbyists.
It is just time for me to spend my time in other endeavors.I haven't been 'shut down' or anything negative or sinister like that.
Just me moving on.I'm still going to be participating in the hobby ...
just in a more private manner.Happy trails and safe and satisfying hobbying to you all.
22 June 2008: Updates to the site will cease immediately.
The site will remain up, but won't be updated, until domain/server rental expires.
I've started to get quite a few emails from hobbyists sharing their hobbying experiences. While I appreciate this additional information I am at a bit of a loss as to what to do with the information relative to the website. I don't want to replicate 'review' functions of other sites so I'd rather not post the information directly on my site. On the other hand, most of the information is interesting and would be useful to other hobbyists.
So, if at all possible, please post reviews on reputable review forums. That is the best way to share your hobbying experience. However, if you have some information that you believe needs to be shared, but for some reason don't want to post a review on it you can feel free to email me. If you do email me please let me know if you want the information somehow shared on this site or whether the information is just for my edification. Private information of that sort will not be directly quoted/used on the site, but it will factor into my assessment of the provider.
In early March ads started popping up on craigslist erotic services for Colorado Springs that were re-using pictures once used by a neo-agency / rip-off I dubbed 'pimp-9527'. Not only did they re-use the same pictures, but they also had the same modus operandi - mixing and matching providers names, stats and phone numbers with absolutely no consistency across the ads. It didn't take too long before the same reports started to filter in, as was the case for the old pimp-9527, that they were a rip-off / cash-and-dash / ROB operation and no good, credible reviews could be found on any of the providers. You'll find my ad archive for them here. Soon they started also using clearly 'borrowed' model pictures. Unless you like the adventure of being ripped off you might want to avoid this outfit.
20080611: Just a quick update ... These folks continue to post consistently on the list. I guess it must be worth their while to do so ... continuing to find those suckers born every minute. They still have no reviews on rreputable review forums and the only reviews on the list (included in their archived ads) are negative.
In the past month or so some new players have shown up on 'the forum'. A number, as usual, have come and gone (the proverbial flashes in the pan), but some have had some staying power and some are even getting credible reviews. I'll take a look at some of the ones that may indeed be the 'real deal'.
Chrissy - Chrissy has been advertising on 'the forum' since late January. Her ads were a little rough to start with. She now has some much better pictures (seem to be shot in the same place as some of the pictures posted by Jen of Colorado Springs) and the ad copy seems a bit more polished. She's now giving a consistent name and phone number. And, most importantly, she now has a couple of reviews on TOB from credible reviewers. Who knows, with another credible review or two I may change her classification in the directory. Maybe she'll take the next steps and start advertising in better forums and put up a reasonable website. She's on a good trajectory.
Lady Tiffany - Lady Tiffany has only been advertising on 'the forum' for about a month. When she started out she was giving Chrissy's phone number in addition to her own. Looks like Chrissy might have been helping to get her going. She seems to have benefited from that help because she has had reasonably consistent and useful ads from day one. It took her a while to get some photos in her ads, but now she has some, though she could use some more and better ones (IMHO). Just recently she received a good review on TOB from a seasoned hobbyist. Like Chrissy, she is on a good trajectory and can benefit from taking some good next steps such as advertising in better forums and putting up a reasonable website.
Savannah G - Savannah is a less-frequent advertiser on 'the forum'. She started posting in late February. Her ads are a bit wordy and severely lacking in terms of photographs. She had received a mixed review on TOB when she apparently posted a self-review and was banned from further reviews until mid-April. The reviewer from the original TOB review is a seasoned hobbyist, so it at least the review affirmed that Savannah is the real deal though she remains a bit of an unknown quantity.
Jayden - Jayden started posting on 'the forum' in early March. She is only an occasional advertiser on 'the forum'. She also advertises on other ad boards. She isn't new to the hobby, just new to the hobby in the Springs. You find some old TOB reviews of her and some interesting, controversial discussion in the old TOB forum. She has her own website as well. She has a recent review on TOB and another on TER. Both reviews are favorable and from credible, veteran hobbyists. Jayden just needs some time to re-establish some good, recent credibility to overcome some of the past controversy.
And then there are those that have been around, but just don't seem to get any credible reviews or have other unique behaviors:
Bunny Luv - Bunny's been around since November 2007. She has numerous favorable reviews on TOB and ASPD. She's posted a variety of pictures of varying quality in her ads. The biggest challenge with Bunny is that she has a very bad habit of NCNS (no-show, no-call). These NCNS reports come from credible sources and they are far too numerous to ignore. The gist of the matter seems to be that if you can actually connect up with Bunny that you will have a great time ... it just seems to be a real crap shoot as to whether she will show for the appointment. I'm sure we all hope she gets the NCNS problem under control as she looks to be a very skilled and attractive provider.
(Swedish Courtney) - Courtney has been a fairly consistent advertiser on 'the forum' since late December 2007. Her ads are quite acceptable and include some very alluring pictures. She has a single review (on TOB) from a credible hobbyist. Unfortunately the review is only mediocre and suggests that Courtney has a somewhat restricted menu (which doesn't come across in her ads). Too bad, since she looks really hot.
Crystal Caine - Crystal Caine is a long-time advertiser on the forum (first showed up in Sep 2007). She advertised profusely on 'the forum' for quite some time. She has since posted ads on many ad websites (cospringsescorts, providerpost, escorts.com, escortpictures, coloradofantasyescorts) and has her 'own' website at myspace.com/thecrystalcaine. So posts occassional daily ads on sowet. She posts occassionally on 'the forum'. Her ads have become much more polished. She was caught posting a self-review on TOB and is banned from receiving reviews there until mid-April. She has a couple of reviews on sowet (1, 2). Crystal Caine had a bit of a rough start with somewhat ambigous ads regarding the breadth of her services. She is not full service, though she claims to provide practically every other service besides vaginal or anal penetration. Her pricing is at the norm for full service.
Reese - Reese has been around for quite some time. She used to be with the CoSLadies agency. She went independent in November 2007. Her ads on 'the forum' as an independent have been sporadic, somewhat hard to read and she has posted under a number of different names. Her phone # has also been used by other flash-in-the-pan providers at times. Her photos are not all the flattering. She has no reviews as an independent.
New craigslist posting requirements for erotic services section
Have you noticed far less spam on craigslist erotic services? I sure have. And I like it. Far fewer posts to flag and it makes it quicker to review the real provider ads.
Craigslist has initiated a new policy for advertisers in the erotic services section. They require that the advertiser have a craigslist account and that that account be verified with a phone number. The verification process is automated. When an advertiser creates/updates the account the advertiser enters a phone number. A robot calls that number giving the advertiser a verification code they can then enter to complete the account creation/update process. You can be sure that Craigslist keeps that number on file.
IMHO this will only do away with the spam posts for a short while. As is generally the case spammers adapt. We can enjoy it while it lasts though.
I've already noticed that the scammers are back though. You know the type, right? If not check out my scam-a-rama blog entry below and check out my Anatomy of a Scam. 20080306: Yup, it didn't take long for the scammers to adjust ... they're back. Sigh.
Some complain that the new craigslist posting policy will keep legitimate providers from posting. It shouldn't. Since (IMHO) legitimate providers should post their phone number in their ad, then it is no big deal to provide it for the verification process. No new exposure/risk.
What's with all the new providers (with minimal information in their ads)?
If you take a look at my "watch" page you'll find quite a number of entries recently which indicate "new to CL" in the 'craigslist ads' column on the right. Quite an unusual influx of new 'faces' if you ask me. Curious. And one thing that rather irritates me is that many of them provide what I consider to be incomplete ads, notably ads with no pictures and/or no phone numbers and/or no name/handle/moniker. What's up with that? Anybody have any information on any of these new players?
(Swedish) Courtney - still unknown after all this time.
I
wrote a blog entry for Courtney over a month ago. The bottom line - still an unknown after advertising for quite a while. Now I'm looking at the situation again and, unfortunately, nothing has changed. Still no reviews. That in itself, with such a lovely woman, seems hard to fathom. Makes my spidey sense tingle, which is way unfortunate because I do so want her to be real and a great provider. Oh well, that is the little head doing the thinking.
20080301 update: Courtney has a TOB review now. And the reviewer has a bit of a track record (cf., a brand new reviewer). Not a glowing review mostly due to certain restrictions with her services.
Mid-month a new FBSM provider came onto the scene. Here's her first ad:
Full Sensual Body Massage (I am a CMT) - w4m Reply to: pers-574075629@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-14, 12:43PMI give full body massages. I graduated and I am now a CMT, but i am a very sexual woman full of desire so i wanted to make my job a little more interesting. I will come to you (no in calls until we know each other better) at your home, place of work, or a hotel that you get..and give you the most amazing all over massage. Some touching (you touching me) is allowed, ofcourse. I can offer a few photos of myself, if you'd like. Just email me!
Location: co springs
I was curious so I wrote her an email and got a reply that contained rate information and a few pictures. I inquired further and requested a little more information (e.g. a handle/moniker/name and/or contact information) in order to put together an entry for her in the directory. I got no reply so I took that lack of reply as an indication that she didn't want to be listed in the directory. She has since continued to post to the forum with no name or additional contact information. The rates she quoted me were reasonable (especially for a Certified Massage Therapist) and her pictures were of a very attractive young (20's) woman. I have yet to see any reviews for her (though I don't know how I'd identify them without any name or phone number).
New (old?) provider - Anne @ 719-359-1582
In early February a new provider (Anne @ 719-359-1582) started advertising on the forum. I sent Anne email requesting pointers to her purported reviews and got no reply until I had posted a cautionary note on her archive page. At that time I had found no reviews for a provider with this name or phone number in local reputable review forums. When she did reply all she said was that she thought the reviews were on TOB and TER. She gave me no further information on how to find them. Since that time a new review has shown up on TOB, but it is from a first-time reviewer and the review lacks any specificity. Still makes the spidey-sense tingle.
She has continued to post on the forum, but hasn't been mentioning her reviews.
Her picture is the same as that used by Annie of Eva of Executive Touch (RIP).
My flagging strategy and rationale. (and why I think you should do the same)
In brief I flag everything that seems to me to not be a real Adult Service Provider (ASP).
That means that I flag everything that looks like spam and scams. You can read my tips for identifying craigslist erotic services scams and spam here.
I do NOT flag real ASPs unless they are known (as in, verified) rip-offs or scammers. For example, I never flagged Sexy Sasha as all that flak was just rumor as far as I was concerned.
The 'grey area' for flagging includes those ads that don't give much detail and require you to email the provider to get more information. 99% of the time when I bother to email the ad poster I get back a reply that entices me to a scammer site or I do not get a reply. So, as a result, if I'm in an impatient mood I will flag ads of this sort. So, providers, if you don't want your ads flagged give useful information without requiring curious potential clients to have to email you for more details or photos or your phone number.
Another 'grey area' is whether cam or phone sex ads should be flagged. After all, they are legitimate 'erotic services' ads. I just wish they had their own category so I don't need to bother with them as I'm not interested. For me, if the ad indicates in its title that is is a cam or phone service then I do not flag it. If they don't ... if you have to bother to view their ad and then their ad is vague about what they are really offering, I flag them.
Of course, for flagging to be effective it takes a group effort. It's easy to flag, so do your part to keep 'the forum' clear of the clutter.
I'm only interested in the hetero scene so even though I bring up all of the erotic services ads I just skip over all of the m4m ads. I don't flag them -- just ignore them. Let the boy's have their fun and manage their own part of cyberspace.
Unknown of the day - Tantric Massage
This sort of ad has been posted for a couple of months now. Anybody know anything about the services / provider? I've sent an email (via craigslist) inquiry to the poster and received no reply.
Tantric Massage Friday!!!! Come and relax~~~~~~~ - w4m
Reply to: pers-551319563@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-01-25, 11:46AM MST
Come and relax today with a Tantric Massage. Take full advantage of what balanced energy and grounded chakras can do for your well being. Reply to this ad and select your package and get contact info!!!!!
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ NOT F/S IN ANY MANNER @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Men, Women, and Couples Welcome!!!
Sessions, Parties, and Educational Services Available!
What are the criteria for including providers in the summary of (craigslist erotic services) providers on this site?
I clearly don't include entries for every ad that passes through 'the forum'. My criteria for inclusion include:
- The provider appears to be 'real' (other criteria below help to ascertain that).
- The provider is not part of some web scam or spam campaign. See hallmarks of scam/spam ads. Please note: if the provider does appear to be part of a local scam or rip-off I will include them in the list so as to alert hobbyists of the threat.
- The provider appears to not be a flash-in-the-pan for local hobbyists. A flash-in-the-pan includes providers that are just passing through, visiting or who are just involved for a short time to address some apparent short-term financial crisis in their life.
- The provider's ads provide some way to uniquely identify them (merely for the purpose record-keeping, not to ascertain their real identity). This includes a phone number, a handle/moniker or picture. Just on a practical note it is very hard to monitor providers that don't have any of these unique identifying aspects in their ads ... what do you name the web page or the entry in the summary? Bunny Luv has been a good one for leaving identifying information out of her ads (though recent ads have corrected that). I can understand security concerns, but you can come up with a handle that doesn't identify your real identity and you can get an anonymous cell phone quite easily.
- The provider places pictures in their ads. I don't consider a provider 'serious' if they don't post pictures in their ads. You'll notice that even once a provider is included in the summary and gets a tracking web page on this site that I only add ads that contain new pictures. If they keep posting ads with the same old pictures those ads are not added to their tracking web page and nothing is noted on the watch page. There are exceptions though ... if a provider posts ads without pictures, but despite that gains a reputation and sticks around I will at least note them in the summary.
Unknown of the day - brown hair, 33
A new unknown quantity has arrived on the forum. One of her posts yesterday is as follows:
All Beauty ....sexy hot time....caring individual - w4m - 33
Reply to: pers-547976746@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-01-22, 1:49PM MST100% Beauty With Attention To Detail,,, All SEXY Quality Woman - w4mIm The one on the left with the brown hair :]Intelligent, Sexy, Loving, and for hire.....im seeking some financial help today for trade... my bills got ahead of me... i can offer you a couple hours of pure passion for compensation, and can promise you will be satisfied in every way... in call or out , any time .. im a busty brunette with a knock out body... 5-8 , blue eyes, tanned skin, and long wavy hair... 120 lbs of pure beauty... give me a try... ill be waiting guys. more pics for trade
Location: springs
I haven't added her to my summary of providers for a number of reasons:
- no name (20080212: 'Chrissy' used in her ad)
- no phone number
- appears to only be 'doing it' for a short time, i.e., flash-in-the-pan
There was one sort of review or cautionary note on 'the forum' that seemed to be based solely on a phone exchange with her. The gist being that she had a rather bitchy attitude with the caller. But who knows what the circumstances were. As always, YMMV.
As best I can tell from the miniscule information so far she at least appears to be real, cf., a web scam.
20080219: She's posted enough now and is using her name, so I've given her a page.
Pet Peeves with ads on 'the forum'
So what is it with ads that tout that their pictures are real ... and then they don't provide any pictures in the ad?
And what about those ads that admonish you to not call if your number is blocked (or private) and then they don't give a phone number to call.
Come on ...
Crystal Caine - get's the prize for number of unique pictures ... but what's up with no reviews yet
Crystal has been posting ads frequently and regularly on the Springs craigslist erotic services since late September 2007. She certainly gets the prize for posting LOTS of unique pictures. I have 85 unique pictures archived with her ads. And IMHO she is quite attractive and the pictures, though not studio quality, are reasonably good.
There was a short period of mud-slinging on 'the forum' toward Crystal at one point, but as was pointed out the acquisitions are a bit suspect since it described an incall situation and Crystal only advertised outcalls. Hmmmm.
I was glad to see that she got an ad page on cospringsescorts and coloradofantasyescorts. When she first started advertising on 'the forum' here ads were very ambiguous about the breadth of her services (most notably, whether she was indeed full service). Apparently she was not and this is what drew some flak for here on 'the forum'. Her ads on the forum and the ad pages mentioned above are now more clear about the fact that she is not full service, but instead provides fbsm and erotic dance. Her ads on 'the forum' do overuse the term "full" though and it could make those who don't read the full ad and do their research a bit surprised and disappointed. Oh, and she often says she provides a GFE experience ... she apparently doesn't understand that in all commonly accepted definitions of the GirlFriend Experience (GFE) full service is included. Oh, and her GFE rate is exactly the average for full service providers in the area. Talk about confused and confusing.
This is my inaugural entry for this blog. I've been watching Colorado Springs and Pueblo craigslist erotic services forums for about 2 years now. It has provided some entertainment. I've generally just commented to myself and some fellow hobbyists. Now I'll speak into the abyss of cyberspace (the blogosphere) for what it's worth ...
Suzy (FBSM) - review / commentary
Seems to be some wrangling over the merits of Suzy (FBSM's) services. Though it is interesting to watch the discourse I must admit that all reviews/commentary on providers on 'the forum' are of little value (IMHO) since there is no oversight, review or moderation of the comments made in 'the forum' ... and then there is the flag-skirmishes that inevitably make all of the commentary ephemeral at best. If you have review-type commentary and want it to count then take it to one of the more credible review forums otherwise you are pretty much just wasting your time typing up the reviews.
(Swedish) Courtney -
Courtney has been posted on 'the forum' for a month or so now. I've see no reviews for her anywhere. Her recent posts have included a pointer to a porn star site (cougarsinheat) where she claims to have some porn work she has done under the handle/moniker of 'Debbie Dial'. I visited the site and indeed the free pictures for 'Debbie Dial' seem to match the pictures posted on 'the forum' for Courtney. I downloaded the sample video, but it only played for a few seconds before it froze. Of course, to get any more insight you have to 'join' (for a fee).
So are the Courtney ads just a scam to get you to sign up at cougarsinheat? Well, since she has been posting for a number of weeks without mentioning the website I'd give her the benefit of the doubt on that one and say, no.
Her pictures depict a definitely beautiful woman. Her rates are right in line with the average (for established providers) for the area. So the situation doesn't seem too-good-to-be-true (other than her obvious beauty).
Doesn't somebody want to take a chance and 'take one for the team' and post a review in a credible review forum.
We seem to be getting our share of the scam / trash posts these days. Kudos to those of you who are joining with me to flag them when we encounter them. It sort of has the feel of multi-player space invaders game. How fast can we get them removed?
It is comical that some of the ads are getting posted by busted ad bots ... you know the ones ... the ones that leave the field name unspecified. They say things like, "Hi I'm <name> and I'm new to <city> ..." How nice of them to paint that bulls-eye on those ads and tip us to the fact that ads of that form are bot-posted spam/scams. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
If you'd like a refresher on the hallmarks of scams / spam on the forum take a look on the tips page.
Left me first give a bit of retrospective on notable shifts in 'the forum' over the last months ...
Sexy Sasha / CeCe / Hailey
Wasn't all of that drama interesting? She's been off the 'the forum' for some time now after being a very frequent advertiser and source of many 'commentaries' and flag-skirmishes. She still has an ad page with cospringsescorts and coloradofantasyescorts, but I don't know if she is still active. This last bit of activity I've seen in cyberspace w.r.t. her is a post of her's on ASPD.net.
Her one-time compatriot, CeCe, fell of the hobby radar a few weeks before Sasha did. Prior to CeCe, Sasha had worked with Hailey. Hailey advertised independent of Sasha on cospringsescorts and coloradofantasyescorts for fbsm-only for a while. Now she no longer shows up in the galleries for those sites and seems to have quit the biz.
I've had no direct experience with any of these lovely ladies, but it was interesting to watch their journey through the SoCO hobby scene.
Another here-today-gone-tomorrow story. They advertised their providers a lot on 'the forum' for many months. Then 'poof' ... gone.
Once again, I had no direct experience with this agency or it's providers. My bias is toward full service and it was clear they weren't.
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